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"My bird IS the word" (mybirdistheword) 04/17/2018 at 01:41 • Filed to: None

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So everything is good with school. Graduate next month with my masters.

Job searching, trying to find someone who will actually value the masters vs. not having job experience. I don’t think that kind of job exists. Wish somebody would have told me that two years ago. I really, really hate everything right now. Kinda indiscriminately. it’s almost 2 am and I can’t get up from my computer. I need to stop browsing linkedin this late.

Now I have to worry about all the workplaces and their unique brands of bullshit, because god forbid anyone act professional or civilized these days.

Part of me just wants to blow off job searching until I actually graduate.

Sorry for all the whingeing. Have, idunno, a plymouth roadrunner.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 02:00

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Stick at it my man!

I have friends who completed their masters last spring and are still searching for a job.

Here, have a SR71:

My bird IS the word > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 04/17/2018 at 02:04

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well I’ll take a damn entry level before I let that happen. Or go into real estate.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 02:05

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The problem is that you are now “over-qualified” for an entry level.

Edit: sorry, I’m not helping with your anxiety

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 02:05

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You’ll get there. I had weak options out of university even though I got a decent grade in mech eng. I’ve now landed in the engineering department of a housebuilders and really enjoying it.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 02:08

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Ive never mastered anything. But it has been a lot of fun trying...so people have even given me money to watch me try and even give me suggestions to improve. I’m currently working at being a professional adult to an 8 year old... still haven’t mastered that either.

My bird IS the word > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 04/17/2018 at 02:08

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If somebody says that to me, since I already lost the job, I will press them on what that actually means. Perhaps say some unkind things. if you can pay a qualified person less than what they are worth, why wouldn’t you?

I know people do that though.

TheRevanchist > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 03:21

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pip bip - choose Corrour > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 04:18

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good luck with the job hunting

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 05:26

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FWIW, as an employer of (engineering) grads, a fresh Masters grad will cost me about the same as a BE with a year’s experience. The BE will probably be more immediate use to me - you come out of school knowing eff all about real working environments, and a year makes s hell of a difference. On the other hand the ME will likely have more potential - at a minimum theyve shown more staying power and commitment to learning. (This is all other things being equal, obviously: there’s a hell of a lot of variation between individuals). So I’m more likely to hire the BE for a technician-level role which I don’t expect/need to go too far or stay too long, and the ME for one which has growth opportunity and a learning curve so I need a keeper.

tl;dr it’ll take you longer to get a job than someone less qualified, but you have a better chance it’ll be a good one

random001 > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 06:29

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Wats your degree? Where are you looking to be? What kind of job do you want?

With-a-G is back to not having anything written after his username > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 06:38

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Masters in what?

Knowing people personally will likely be more valuable than LinkedIn. If there are two dozen qualified candidates for a job, a simple “I know a guy who knows a guy and he says Bird Is The Word is not a flake” is often enough to tip the scales.

Thanks for the ‘71 Plymouth. That’s my jam.

imadick > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 07:13

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Yeah, it’s unfortunate how the university industry has convinced young people they need more expensive degrees to get a job. The only ones that are profiting from this are the universities themselves.

LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 07:15

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It’s about expectations of job satisfaction. It costs money and energy to get a new hire on board, so an employer doesn’t want that person to be dissatisfied and quit within a year to go to a job that they are appropriately qualified for.

LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 07:20

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Don’t put off the search. In this job market my firm questions why an engineer (you may not be an engineer, but this is primarily who I hire) didn’t land a job prior to graduation, with the concern that it indicates a lack of motivation. If you graduate without a job, be prepared to address that concern with employers.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 07:32

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What’s your degree-to-be in? I have an MS in mechanical engineering and i wouldn’t have gotten my job without it.

ttyymmnn > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 04/17/2018 at 08:49

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Ooh, looks like somebody went to Dayton.

nerd_racing > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 09:03

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That’s my favorite roadrunner!

Also Daisy Duke’s car!

Transit > imadick 04/17/2018 at 09:59

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Depends on the field. I just finished a MS Engineering last month and my employer gave me a “please don’t go somewhere else” raise.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > ttyymmnn 04/17/2018 at 10:30

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YES!

I also drove a FRS when I was there. So agood trip overall :)

ttyymmnn > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 04/17/2018 at 10:42

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My son and I were there last summer. We got there when the doors opened and they locked the doors behind us when we left. I could have spent two or three days there.

My bird IS the word > imadick 04/17/2018 at 11:18

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Nah its business. I need a masters to get a job at a company that you have actually heard of.

My bird IS the word > Transit 04/17/2018 at 11:19

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Lot of engineers on oppo. Huh. Guess I shouldn’t be suprised.

My bird IS the word > LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com 04/17/2018 at 11:21

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That ones easy. Dedication towards school, inability to find a position that properly values me.

My bird IS the word > With-a-G is back to not having anything written after his username 04/17/2018 at 11:22

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MBA with a concentration in marketing.

My bird IS the word > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com 04/17/2018 at 11:22

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Mba in marketing

My bird IS the word > random001 04/17/2018 at 11:24

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Mba in marketing. Looking for marketing, sales, purchasing, or management (I’ve actually had a few leads on that last one but they haven’t gone anywhere)

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > ttyymmnn 04/17/2018 at 11:28

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Unfortunately, I had to split my time between the FRS and the museum. I’ll go again this summer and spend at least a day there.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 11:31

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That is a tough one, sorry. MBA’s are one of those things that are usually going to be looked at after experience. Typically an employer is going to either be looking for someone with experience in the field who wanted to move up and got an MBA or paying for someone from their current team to do online/night courses to get their MBA (that’s what we do at my current job). What is your Bachelor’s degree in?

LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 11:48

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I have accepted “dedication to school” before, although I find that I am still suspicious about the true level of interest in being in a job unless the candidate describes an unusual circumstance. Bear in mind that on occasion their classmates have already been interviewing with me during the school year, so what makes this other person different in that regard? So, that person needs to stand out in some other way to compensate.

Having said that, just because someone is making a point of finding a job while in school does not mean they are going to be a great employee, it’s just a quantifiable item.

I recommend avoiding describing your job search as finding a position that properly values you. That is only one side of the relationship, and you should be able to show that you understand that there are two sides (which you just may not have included in your comment). So, maybe it would be that you had not yet found a position where you felt that your education would be understood as the asset that it (hopefully) is, and your skills (thanks to the masters) could be well utilized in a way that benefited the company and also engaged you. Or something.

random001 > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 11:59

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Hmm... Where geographically, or do you care much?

My bird IS the word > random001 04/17/2018 at 12:38

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Was hoping to stay in pittsburgh to knock out some loans. I’m not beholden but if I can help it... Honestly just not new york or cali.

My bird IS the word > LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com 04/17/2018 at 12:42

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That’s just branding lol. I can do that, I just figured there was no point in trying to BS you guys.

My bird IS the word > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com 04/17/2018 at 12:43

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“general management”. that covered pretty much everything. I didn’t specialize until grad school because I didn’t want to lock myself into something I didn’t like.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 12:48

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Gotcha. Have you looked into working for a consulting firm - the kinds that companies hire to solve their management/marketing problems? I would think that could be a place to go that would value someone coming right out of school with the additional knowledge from the MBA and give you a chance to move up and make a career out of it.

My bird IS the word > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com 04/17/2018 at 12:52

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I’m looking everywhere. the consulting firms I have looked at haven’t had the best applications, or ones that I really felt confident with. I am positive I can find a job somewhere, I just wanted to skip a few years by going straight through grad school. That doesn’t look to be the case.

imadick > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 13:01

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Did that masters degree teach you a skillset that you need for this job? Or is it just to fulfill a requirement?

My bird IS the word > imadick 04/17/2018 at 13:19

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That seems to be up to opinion. The MBA is a requisite for most high-paid positions, but if you don’t have the accompanying experience then apparently it means nothing. with business, it’s alot of snobbery mostly, since it’s not really “quantitiative”

imadick > Transit 04/17/2018 at 13:30

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My employer tends to give me “please don’t go somewhere else” bonuses a few times a year.

imadick > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 13:34

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“it’s alot of snobbery mostly”

this kind of bullshit is ridiculous. Getting a expensive degree (and MBAs seem to be the worst for this) just to get approval from some snobs is crazy.

LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 13:35

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I took your previous comment as being what you would say to an employer, and I was trying to provide what may or may not be a helpful perspective. Could just be my unique brand of BS for my workplace. But, yeah, keep it real here on Oppo. I mean, that’s what your original post was.

My bird IS the word > LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com 04/17/2018 at 13:40

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well I mean it’s not BS, it is important. I am just not trying to impress you guys, I don’t want that junk switched on all the time. It’s not good for friend relationships.

My bird IS the word > imadick 04/17/2018 at 13:43

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hate to say it, but it’s kind of necessary. Since it’s so prevalent, and you can get a job “anywhere” or at least at any company, they need some way to weed people out. at the end of the day it’s who you know, what you’ve done than what kind of person or how smart you are, because it’s impossible to truely tell that in an interview. Business school just means you were able to put up with alot of bullshit, you can get through it without really “learning” anything. I certainly learned a few things though.

random001 > My bird IS the word 04/17/2018 at 13:46

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Well, if you’re not opposed to Ohio, I can see what my company has.

My bird IS the word > random001 04/17/2018 at 13:51

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I would appreciate it. Ohio is close enough that I could go home on the weekends, I was starting to look at both Columbus and Cleveland.